You just can't change history, especially when there is a photographic record. Here is a bit more about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the parts of Jerusalem which were illegally occupied by Jordan.
In 1948, Israel declared a state, the Arabs attacked, and Jordanian soldiers invaded the Old City and surrounding Jewish neighborhoods. Jordan gained control of the west bank and part of Jerusalem (it is the portion that was occupied by Jordan for 19 years that they now call "East Jerusalem"). As the Jordanian soldiers invaded Jerusalem, the Jews ran for their lives. As a result of the war, Jews were thrown out of the Old City and other areas of Jerusalem en masse (creating many Jewish refugees from "East Jerusalem" that no one ever talks about).
Between the end of Israel's war of Independence in 1949 and the six day war in 1967, the Jordanians controlled the area and they, along with UNWRA, transferred many Arabs into Jewish-owned property there. They also destroyed much Jewish property 59 Synagogues, including the famous Hurva Synagogue (recently rebuilt), approximately 38,000 graves in the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and a multitude of Jewish-owned homes, synagogues, and businesses.
The controversial Arab neighborhoods right outside the Old City that today the Arabs call Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan were actually Jewish neighborhoods. Sheikh Jarrah consisted of two Jewish neighborhoods known as Nahalat Shimon and Shimon HaTzadiq. The latter was purchased by Jews in 1876. Nahalat Shimon was built by Sephardic and Yemenite Jews in 1891. Sheikh Jarrah was primarily a Jewish neighborhood in the late 19th century and remained so up until 1948.
In March 1948, Arabs invaded the neighborhood and set the Jewish synagogues and houses on fire, causing the residents to flee. In April, the Hadassah Convoy massacre, where 79 Jews were murdered, took place in the neighborhood. Silwan, where Yemenite Jews had settled in 1882 (and where King David built the original Jerusalem) was also taken over, along with the Old city's Jewish quarter which was razed.
full article:
israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/06/life-m...
Life Magazine pics of Arab army removing Jews in 1948 from Jerusalem
In 1948, Israel declared a state, the Arabs attacked, and Jordanian soldiers invaded the Old City and surrounding Jewish neighborhoods. Jordan gained control of the west bank and part of Jerusalem (it is the portion that was occupied by Jordan for 19 years that they now call "East Jerusalem"). As the Jordanian soldiers invaded Jerusalem, the Jews ran for their lives. As a result of the war, Jews were thrown out of the Old City and other areas of Jerusalem en masse (creating many Jewish refugees from "East Jerusalem" that no one ever talks about).
Between the end of Israel's war of Independence in 1949 and the six day war in 1967, the Jordanians controlled the area and they, along with UNWRA, transferred many Arabs into Jewish-owned property there. They also destroyed much Jewish property 59 Synagogues, including the famous Hurva Synagogue (recently rebuilt), approximately 38,000 graves in the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and a multitude of Jewish-owned homes, synagogues, and businesses.
The controversial Arab neighborhoods right outside the Old City that today the Arabs call Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan were actually Jewish neighborhoods. Sheikh Jarrah consisted of two Jewish neighborhoods known as Nahalat Shimon and Shimon HaTzadiq. The latter was purchased by Jews in 1876. Nahalat Shimon was built by Sephardic and Yemenite Jews in 1891. Sheikh Jarrah was primarily a Jewish neighborhood in the late 19th century and remained so up until 1948.
In March 1948, Arabs invaded the neighborhood and set the Jewish synagogues and houses on fire, causing the residents to flee. In April, the Hadassah Convoy massacre, where 79 Jews were murdered, took place in the neighborhood. Silwan, where Yemenite Jews had settled in 1882 (and where King David built the original Jerusalem) was also taken over, along with the Old city's Jewish quarter which was razed.
full article:
israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/06/life-m...
Life Magazine pics of Arab army removing Jews in 1948 from Jerusalem
Between the end of Israel's war of Independence in 1949 and the six day war in 1967, the Jordanians controlled the area and they, along with UNWRA, transferred many Arabs into Jewish-owned property there. They also destroyed much Jewish property, including the famous Hurva Synagogue (recently rebuilt), approximately 38,000 graves in the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and a multitude of Jewish-owned homes, synagogues, and businesses.
The controversial Arab neighborhoods right outside the Old City that today the Arabs call Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan were actually Jewish neighborhoods. Sheikh Jarrah consisted of two Jewish neighborhoods known as Nahalat Shimon and Shimon HaTzadiq. The latter was purchased by Jews in 1876. Nahalat Shimon was built by Sephardic and Yemenite Jews in 1891. Sheikh Jarrah was primarily a Jewish neighborhood in the late 19th century and remained so up until 1948.
In March 1948, Arabs invaded the neighborhood and set the Jewish synagogues and houses on fire, causing the residents to flee. In April, the Hadassah Convoy massacre, where 79 Jews were murdered, took place in the neighborhood. Silwan, where Yemenite Jews had settled in 1882 (and where King David built the original Jerusalem) was also taken over, along with the Old city's Jewish quarter which was razed.
Life Magazine's Pictures of Jerusalem 1948
(all photos by John Phillips © Time Inc., Courtesy of LIFE.com)
Jewish girl, Rachel Levy, 7, fleeing from street w. burning bldgs. as the Arabs sack Jerusalem after its surrender. May 28, 1948. John Phillips
Jewish families being evacuated from city. June 1948. John Phillips
Jewish families leaving the old city through Zion's Gate. June 1948. John Phillips
Jewish people attempting to leave portion of city surrendered to Arab forces. Jerusalem, Israel. June 1948. John Phillips
Jewish people attempting to leave portion of city surrendered to Arab forces. Jerusalem, Israel. June 1948. John Phillips
Elderly Jewish man sitting in street after surrender of city. Jerusalem, Israel. June 1948. John PhillipsThe next two photographs are remarkable.
This is before and after of the same place!
Jewish families waiting outside their homes to be evacuated by Arab troops. Jerusalem, Israel. June 1948. John Phillips
Looting in burning Jerusalem, John Phillips. June 1948
Jewish soldiers lying injured in hospital after surrender of city. Jerusalem, Israel. June 1948. John Phillips
Jewish soldiers lying injured in hospital after surrender of city. Jerusalem, Israel. June 1948. John Phillips
Labels: Old City of Jerusalem, War of Independence
posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 11:24 AM
That is why I posted it. It is always good to remind people of what the actual facts are and were. Sadly, as the past is prologue we can be pretty certain that should the Arabs ever gain control of any portion of Jerusalem they will once again expel the Jews.
I think we should link to this thread other examples of ethnic cleansing by Arabs, not to harp on it or dwell on the past, but to have a ready answer to those who deny it (including at least one regular on this board).
Note: the main purpose of this thread and posts like to following is because of one very prejudiced regular who is in a state of denial so profound that the facts -- that unbiased people know and admit -- must be stated boldly and in plain English:
Arab Massacres of Jews before 1948
Arabs and their sympathizers often like to talk about massacres that happened to the Palestinian people in 1948 and before. People familiar with the history of the Israel-Arab conflict have no doubt heard about Deir Yassin – it is the quintessential Jewish “massacre” of Palestinians. These people would have you believe that the Arabs were totally innocent in this war, but of course, the truth is quite the opposite. Unfortunately, Jews and Israelis have made little of the Palestinian massacres of Jews before 1948 of which there were many. This list contains a number of massacres of Jews by the hands of Arabs only between when the UN partition plan was passed (November 29, 1947), and by May 15, 1948. The list is probably incomplete, so updates are welcome (Source: Seth Frantzman, Jerusalem Post Guest Column).
December 1947 – Small kibbutzim were subjected to attacks – Gvulot, Ben-Shemen, Holon, Safed, Bat Yam and Kfar Yavetz. Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs around Palestine.
December 30, 1947 – 39 Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa’s oil refinery
January 16, 1948 – 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion
February 22, 1948 – 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem’s Rehov Ben-Yehuda
February 29, 1948 – 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry.
January and February 1948 – Rishon Lezion, Yehiam, Mishmar Hayarden, Tirat Zvi, Sde Eliahu, Ein Hanatziv, Magdiel, Mitzpe Hagalil and Ma’anit were all subjected to attacks. Arab attackers also bombedThe Palestine Post
April 13, 1948 – 35 Jew were murdered during the Mount Scopus convoy massacre
April 13, 1948 – 35 Jew were murdered during the Mount Scopus convoy massacre
March and April – Assault on Hartuv by 400 Arabs based in the village of Ishwa and an attack on Kfar Darom by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Jewish Agency, the Solel Boneh building in Haifa and an Egged bus were bombed.
May 15, 1948 – 127 Jews were massacred at Kfar Etzion, after 30 others had died defending the Etzion Bloc.
During this timespan(November 29, 1947 to May 15, 1948), a total of 1,256 Jews had been killed, most of them civilians. These deaths were caused by Arab militias, gangs, terrorists and army units which attacked every place of Jewish inhabitation in Palestine. During this time, all Jewish villages in the Negev were attacked, and Jews had to go about the country in convoys. In every major city where Jews and Arabs lived in mixed neighborhoods the Jewish areas came under attack. This was true in Haifa’s Hadar Hacarmel as well as Jerusalem’s Old City.
The above list does not include Jews killed and synagogues burned in Arab countries during the timespan in question. However, it is known thatmore than 100 Jews were massacred and synagogues were burned in Aleppo and Aden, driving thousands of Jews from their homes.
Jun 7, 2011 -- 10:38AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:Jun 7, 2011 -- 10:33AM, JAstor wrote:It is very sad to see.It is even sadder to realize that people of Sherri's ilk and the vast majority of Arabs not only deny this but claim the opposite!That is why I posted it. It is always good to remind people of what the actual facts are and were. Sadly, as the past is prologue we can be pretty certain that should the Arabs ever gain control of any portion of Jerusalem they will once again expel the Jews.
It seems some people need constantly to be reminded of the facts.
Yes, notice all the Zionists forcibly expelling Jewish families (notice how dangerous they look) in this picture. It's just a little funny that these "Zionists" are wearing uniforms of the Jordanian (Arab-Muslim) army.
Jewish families being evacuated from Jerusalem by the Arab-Jordanian army. June 1948
Feb 14, 2014 -- 10:55AM, JRoadrunner wrote:Feb 14, 2014 -- 10:37AM, BDboy wrote:Feb 13, 2014 -- 5:42PM, JRoadrunner wrote:Lest we forget...>>>>>> Until fanatical zionist took over Jewish leadership some of these people lived in Jerusalem for hundeds of years without major conflicts.Yes, notice all the Zionists forcibly expelling Jewish families (notice how dangerous they look) in this picture. It's just a little funny that these "Zionists" are wearing uniforms of the Jordanian (Arab-Muslim) army.
Jewish families being evacuated from Jerusalem by the Arab-Jordanian army. June 1948
>>>>>>> No amount of "Spin" will remove the marks left by Fanatic Zionist thugs of Irgun, Stern and Israeli army.
There collective efforts made close to a million refugees.
This is probably a rare time times when a bunch of refugees removed people from their ancestral land.
Feb 15, 2014 -- 10:02AM, BDboy wrote:The causes remain also the subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis.
Apparently, you didn't even read what you wrote.
caught in the cross fire of a battle that of the war that the Arab-Jihadists started.
Either way, there is no dispute that the Arabs illegally and immorally expelled Jews from their long-standing homes in Jerusalem, as the photographic record of Life Magazine demonstrates all too clearly.
Jewish families being expelled from their homes in Jerusalem by to Arab forces. June 1948
The Israelis would be FOOLS to give up Jerusalem ... and they know it ...
Jerusalem is and will remain the undivided Capital of The State of Israel ...
The Movement to restore "The Caliphate" can find THEIR Capital in Mecca or Medina or Baghdad or Cairo or Damascus ... but NOT in Jerusalem ...
NEVER AGAIN ...
Feb 15, 2014 -- 7:34PM, JRoadrunner wrote:Feb 15, 2014 -- 10:02AM, BDboy wrote:The causes remain also the subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis.Apparently, you didn't even read what you wrote.Either way, there is no dispute that the Arabs illegally and immorally expelled Jews from their long-standing homes in Jerusalem, as the photographic record of Life Magazine demonstrates all too clearly.
Jewish families being expelled from their homes in Jerusalem by to Arab forces. June 1948
The Israelis would be FOOLS to give up Jerusalem ... and they know it ...
Then they must have been fools for 2000 years.
I'm getting used to seeing such ignorance here. It's ignorance that is purposeful and intentended, cultivated and stubbornly held. It is probably uneducable blind hatred.
Jews never gave Jerusalem up. When they were forbidden to enter the Holy CIty, they went up to the Mount of Olives to pray and overlook the city.
There is virtually not a single page of the traditional prayer-book that does not mention Jerusalem and our desire to return. Twice a year, at the high-points of our liturgical calendar, on Passover and the Day of Atonement, Jews declare "Next year in Jerusalem.
There are no fewer than 3 fast days (one 24 hours, the others during daylight hours) that commemorate the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. Another marks the end of Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel after the destruction of the First Temple.
Every synagogue in the world faces Jerusalem. Traditional Jewish homes had a plaque indicating which way to pray - towards Jerusalem. Our rabbis enacted a custom of leaving a space unpainted in a house - to mourn the destruction of Jerusalem.
When I was married, my bride wore no jewelry under the wedding canopy. I had a smear of ashes on my head - ancient customs of mourning for the destruction of Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
Over the millennia, Jews took every opportunity to make pilgrimages ot Jerusalem. Pious homes worldwide had a charity box for Jerusalem's poor.
Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority for 150 years. It has always been synonymous with Jewish hopes, prayers and destiny.
We never abandoned Jerusalem. The hope of return to our royal city went with us wherever we were forced to flee. Our customs and tradition made sure that Jerusalem was part of our spiritual lives every day of the year.
No ...
They were (mostly but not TOTALLY) EXPELLED from Jerusalem because they were "outgunned" ... but ... NEVER ... AGAIN ...
The Israelis will NEVER surrender Jerusalem ...
+1
Oh, I don't know ...
SOME "Palestinians" watched-over The Land of Israel until The PEOPLE of Israel were able to RETURN to The Land of Promise ... NEVER to leave again, no matter WHO tries to expel them AGAIN ...
So ... NEVER ... AGAIN ... !!!
Something the anti-Israel folks like to ignore and would like you to forget.
Jewish Jerusalem after it was looted by peace-loving Arabs. (Note: the Arabs were evicting families, not fighting soldiers.)
"Something the anti-Israel folks like to ignore and would like you to forget."
Zionist propaganda, yes.
No ...
The HISTORY of The People of Israel and of The State of Israel ...
Feb 21, 2014 -- 3:55AM, Dostojevsky wrote:"Something the anti-Israel folks like to ignore and would like you to forget."Zionist propaganda, yes.
Teilhard, you have to realize that to a mind perverted by lies and hatred the truth is "propaganda."
Feb 21, 2014 -- 7:44AM, teilhard wrote:No ...The HISTORY of The People of Israel and of The State of Israel ...Feb 21, 2014 -- 3:55AM, Dostojevsky wrote:"Something the anti-Israel folks like to ignore and would like you to forget."Zionist propaganda, yes.
Yes ...
The Sign over the Gate once read, "Arbeit Macht Frei" ...
The "Palestinian" Gate Sign is deliberately more AMBIGUOUS, but historically OMINOUS --
"Just Trust Us" ...
Feb 21, 2014 -- 8:42AM, JRoadrunner wrote:Teilhard, you have to realize that to a mind perverted by lies and hatred the truth is "propaganda."Feb 21, 2014 -- 7:44AM, teilhard wrote:No ...The HISTORY of The People of Israel and of The State of Israel ...Feb 21, 2014 -- 3:55AM, Dostojevsky wrote:"Something the anti-Israel folks like to ignore and would like you to forget."Zionist propaganda, yes.
Survey of the situation of Jews in Arab states before Israel was reborn
From JTA, reproduced in various Jewish newspapers in August 1947:
Few words from Jim W Dean from Veterans Today. We guessed there's another side to this story.
Truth always comes out. Unfortunately many Jews already know it but I suppose it is too shameful to admit. You can not have justice and peace without it.
Truth always comes out. Unfortunately many Jews already know it but I suppose it is too shameful to admit. You can not have justice and peace without it.
"I can still remember doing a two hour Atlanta Public TV interview with Rabbi David Weiss of Neturei Karta ten years ago. He described how the post 1948 Zionists were having difficulty getting North African Jews to immigrate to Israel to supply the manpower and investment capital need to build and protect their new ethnically cleansed land they had just stolen.
They resorted to false flag attacks on Jews and synagogues in these North African countries, and the ruse worked like a charm. Jewish families who had lived peacefully with their neighbors for hundreds of years fled to Israel for safety from this 'new wave' of anti-Semitism. They of course did not know that Israeli Intelligence had organized the whole event, one that would be copied again whenever it suited them.
The Neturei Karta anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews learned of this when remorseful Jews who have been involved in the staged pogroms came forward and confessed to them. This remains among my top ten video interviews and the footage is a treasure. And the 'never give up' Rabbi Weiss is still fighting militant Zionism as a moral stain on Torah Judaism. He is a brave and dedicated man."
Dos,
I doubt that Rabbi Weiss ever lived in an Arab country. Why not cite someone who has, like Albert Memmi. In 1975 Memmi wrote an essay entitled "Who is an Arab Jew?". In it appears the following:
"We would have liked to be Arab Jews. If we abandoned the idea, it is because over the centuries the Moslem Arabs systematically prevented its realization by their contempt and cruelty. It is now too late for us to become Arab Jews. Not only were the homes of Jews in Germany and Poland torn down, scattered to the four winds, demolished, but our homes as well.
Objectively speaking, there are no longer any Jewish communities in any Arab country, and you will not find a single Arab Jew who will agree to return to his native land.
I must be clearer: the much vaunted idyllic life of the Jews in Arab lands is a myth! The truth, since I am obliged to return to it, is that from the outset we were a minority in a hostile environment; as such, we underwent all the fears, the agonies, and the constant sense of frailty of the underdog.
As far back as my childhood memories go - in the tales of my father, my grandparents, my aunts and uncles - coexistence with the Arabs was not just uncomfortable, it was marked by threats periodically carried out.
We must, nonetheless, remember a most significant fact: the situation of the Jews during the colonial period was more secure, because it was more legalized. This explains the prudence, the hesitation between political options of the majority of Jews in Arab lands. I have not always agreed with these choices, but one cannot reproach the responsible leaders of the communities for this ambivalence - they were only reflecting the inborn fear of their co-religionists.
As to the pre-colonial period, the collective memory of Tunisian Jewry leaves no doubt. It is enough to cite a few narratives and tales relating to that period: it was a gloomy one. The Jewish communities lived in the shadow of history, under arbitrary rule and the fear of all-powerful monarchs whose decisions could not be rescinded or even questioned.
It can be said that everybody was governed by these absolute rulers: the sultans, beys and deys. But the Jews were at the mercy not only of the monarch but also of the man in the street. My grandfather still wore the obligatory and discriminatory Jewish garb, and in his time every Jew might expect to be hit on the head by any Moslem whom he happened to pass.
This pleasant ritual even had a name - the chtaka; and with it went a sacramental formula which I have forgotten. A French orientalist once replied to me at a meeting: "In Islamic lands the Christians were no better off!" This is true - so what? This is a double-edged argument: it signifies, in effect, that no member of a minority lived in peace and dignity in countries with an Arab majority!"
There is quite a bit more in the essay. You can find a copy of the whole essay at:
Dos, as it happens the Neturei Karta are a small and very marginal sect in Judaism. That the author of your cited article chose to reference them has far less validity then if I cited the pronouncements of Ismail Hanniyeh as a final authority on Islam.
In summary, the notion that Jews led an ideal idyllic life in the Muslim world is just more propaganda.
Habesor
Feb 21, 2014 -- 12:36PM, habesor wrote:the notion that Jews led an ideal idyllic life in the Muslim world is just more propaganda.
Which brings us back to the OP. Here's a picture of Jews leading such an idyllic life under Muslims that they are leaving their homes in Jerusalem...
"Dos, as it happens the Neturei Karta are a small and very marginal sect in Judaism. That the author of your cited article chose to reference them has far less validity then if I cited the pronouncements of Ismail Hanniyeh as a final authority on Islam."
Habesor, it has been cited many times here how Jews were unlawfuly evicted from Arab countries.
You seem to marginalise Neturei Karta because apparently they are small in number. So what? Facts are facts whether one person tells it or hundred.
Weiss is a Rabbi, that stands for some respect; he is teacher of Judaism.
Were he a non-Jew, you'd cry anrisemitism. Now he is a Jew and you find another fault.
Jews were not evicted or did not run for no reason. I am sure Arab history would attest to that. For Jews the quickest way is not to look at reason way, but to denounce it. They can we don't have to.
Dos,
The Neturei Karta is about as representative of main stream Judaism as Terry Jones is of mainstream Christianity.
In the Wikipedia entry on Rabbi Weiss the following appeared:
American Jewish organisations, including Agudath Israel of America and the Orthodox Union, issued statements distancing themselves from Weiss.[14] The executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, has called the group "embarrassing",[14] and Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for Agudath Israel of America, called Neturei Karta's public display of affection for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "graphic and disgusting."[14]
Since returning to the U.S. from the conference, Weiss and other individuals who attended have been ostracized by synagogues, denied service at kosher stores, and have been the subject of disparagement in some communities with strong Orthodox Jewish populations such as Brooklyn and Monsey.[3]
You can read the entire entry at:
Dos, the Neturei Karta, as far as I know, have no followers from Middle Eastern Jewish communities nor do they have any experience in the Middle East other than in the State of Israel. Why you or your cited source should take their word about the historical experience of Jews in Arab lands only shows that no matter how questionable some anti-Israel statement may be, your source, if not you, are quite happy to accept it as valid.
Habesor
Feb 22, 2014 -- 2:28AM, Dostojevsky wrote:"Dos, as it happens the Neturei Karta are a small and very marginal sect in Judaism. That the author of your cited article chose to reference them has far less validity then if I cited the pronouncements of Ismail Hanniyeh as a final authority on Islam."Habesor, it has been cited many times here how Jews were unlawfuly evicted from Arab countries.You seem to marginalise Neturei Karta because apparently they are small in number. So what? Facts are facts whether one person tells it or hundred.Weiss is a Rabbi, that stands for some respect; he is teacher of Judaism.Were he a non-Jew, you'd cry anrisemitism. Now he is a Jew and you find another fault.Jews were not evicted or did not run for no reason. I am sure Arab history would attest to that. For Jews the quickest way is not to look at reason way, but to denounce it. They can we don't have to.
Dos, it is not about the numbers: it is about the fact that NK beliefs do not conform to mainstream Judaism of ANY 'denomination'.
As for the asinine idea that 'he's a rabbi - all Jews should respect him' - let me know how much respect you hold for the Unitarian Universalist pastors who marry gay couples, or who are homosexuals themselves. And recall that UU is more 'mainstream' Christian than NK is 'mainstream' Judaism.
I believed David Weiss because it is not the first time I read about how and why Jews had to leave Arab lands. He has my respect for other things he wrote about which made sense.
That he is rejected by mainstream Judaism is irrelevant.
Christianity's survival is not dependant on mainstream Christianity either.
Dos,
Since you rely so much on Rabbi Weiss would it be a legitimate argument on my part to assert that there is no Arab Palestine and in fact according to the Koran, the land belongs to the Jews. I base this on the word of Sheikh Ahmed Aladoan. After all if a Arab Muslim Sheikh said it then it must be true. Right?
Habesor
Feb 22, 2014 -- 2:28AM, Dostojevsky wrote:Jews were not evicted or did not run for no reason. I am sure Arab history would attest to that.
Arab "history" can attest and deny all they want. This thread exposes the lie that Jews were not evicted, since it is about a non-Jewish photographer for a major magazine who provided visual, undeniable evidence of Arab ethnic cleansing.
Jewish girl, Rachel Levy, 7, fleeing from street w. burning bldgs. as the Arabs sack Jerusalem after its surrender. May 28, 1948.
How many Times must we go OVER this ... ???
It's a "Pogrom" ...
"The Jews" have be subjected to Pogroms ... REGULARLY for CENTURIES ...
It's just something that has to be done now and then ... and "The Jews" have ALWAYS been required to ACCEPT it ...
Feb 23, 2014 -- 10:31AM, habesor wrote:Dos,Since you rely so much on Rabbi Weiss would it be a legitimate argument on my part to assert that there is no Arab Palestine and in fact according to the Koran, the land belongs to the Jews. I base this on the word of Sheikh Ahmed Aladoan. After all if a Arab Muslim Sheikh said it then it must be true. Right?
Habesor
Habesor, on another thread you gave a link to current situation in Egypt. There's a lot of allegations form all sides that MB is being ran by Zionists, or that Sisi is Jewish as his Prime Minister etc... some Jews had converted to Islam or pretend to be Muslims (there's a name for it) and teach Islam with Jewish flavor. Just because this Sheikh said it....
Meanwhile, back to the topic of this thread, more visual evidence (from a non-Jewish source) of how the Arabs tried to ethnically cleans Jerusalem of its Jews.
Notice the very dangerous elderly lady hunched over in the front left supported by two nurses. Obviously, a dangerous Zionist plotter.
"The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is being run by Zionists ... " ... ???
"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" IS a "Comic Book" ... except it's NOT FUNNY ...
Feb 26, 2014 -- 7:20AM, Dostojevsky wrote:Feb 23, 2014 -- 10:31AM, habesor wrote:Dos,Since you rely so much on Rabbi Weiss would it be a legitimate argument on my part to assert that there is no Arab Palestine and in fact according to the Koran, the land belongs to the Jews. I base this on the word of Sheikh Ahmed Aladoan. After all if a Arab Muslim Sheikh said it then it must be true. Right?
HabesorHabesor, on another thread you gave a link to current situation in Egypt. There's a lot of alegations form all sides that MB is being ran by Zionists, or that Sisi is Jewish as his Prime Minister etc... some Jews had converted to Islam or pretend to be Muslims (there's a name for it) and teach Islam with Jewish flavor. Just because this Sheikh said it....
Dos, you missed the point, actually two points,
First, just because a Rabbi who is from an extremist branch of Judaism says something, does not make it true. Lots of extremists including Muslim extremist clergy say untrue things.
Second, and it is a more subtle point, I admit. If various parties in Egyptian politics are accusing the other side of being Jews in an attempt to insult or discredit them, then they are making an appeal to the Antisemitism they recognize in Egyptian society. They are also assuming that such Antisemitism is widespread enough in Egyptian society so as to given them a political advantage. This may also be evidence of their own Antisemitism.
Habesor
"Second, and it is a more subtle point, I admit. If various parties in Egyptian politics are accusing the other side of being Jews in an attempt to insult or discredit them, then they are making an appeal to the Antisemitism they recognize in Egyptian society. They are also assuming that such Antisemitism is widespread enough in Egyptian society so as to given them a political advantage. This may also be evidence of their own Antisemitism."
Why does it have to be antisemitism?
Why is attempt to insult or discredit antisemitism?
It's simply politics where Jews /are/might be involved.
Politicians are insulted and discredited all the time everywhere,
incl. Kerry by Israeli foreign minister.
Dos,
I think that your last message illustrates that your inability to see Antisemitism has nothing to do with whether or not it exists but rather your unwillingness to recognize it when Antisemitism is right in front of you. I suppose this makes you an apologist for those advocating Antisemitic ideas which also helps to explain your views on the Arab-Israeli conflict. Obviously what you don't agree with you simply don't see. We will have to take your perceptual difficulties into account when reading your one-sided screeds on this forum.
Habesor
Habesor, why talk about me?
Talk about things I said, quote me and explain what is wrong with it.
Feb 27, 2014 -- 4:46AM, Dostojevsky wrote:Habesor, why talk about me?Talk about things I said, quote me and explain what is wrong with it.
He did.
Feb 27, 2014 -- 4:23AM, habesor wrote:Dos,I think that your your last message illustrates that your your inability to see Antisemitism has nothing to do with whether or not it exists but rather your your unwillingness to recognize it when Antisemitism is right in front of you you. I suppose this makes you you an apologist for those advocating Antisemitic ideas which also helps to explain your your views on the Arab-Israeli conflict. Obviously what you you don't agree with you you simply don't see. We will have to take your your perceptual difficulties into account when reading your your one-sided screeds on this forum.Habesor
Feb 27, 2014 -- 4:23AM, habesor wrote:Dos,I think that your last message illustrates that your inability to see Antisemitism has nothing to do with whether or not it exists but rather your unwillingness to recognize it when Antisemitism isright in front of you. I suppose this makes you an apologist for those advocating Antisemitic ideas which also helps to explain your views on the Arab-Israeli conflict. Obviously what you don't agree with you simply don't see. We will have to take your perceptual difficulties into account when reading your one-sided screeds on this forum.Habesor
Arabs set flame to the Yeshiva Porat Yosef in Jerusalem, during the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Jews.
More of the evil Zionists ethnically cleansed from Jerusalem by peace-loving Arabs in 1948.
More visual evidence of Arab-Muslim ethnic cleansing of Jews.
Terrorists complain that Jews love Jerusalem more than they do
From Times of Israel:
Jewish love for Jerusalem drew unexpected praise from the head of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror organization, who told religious leaders in Tehran that the Jews show their love for the city more than Muslims do, and quoted in Hebrew from an inspirational Israeli ballad to prove the point.
Addressing a clerical conference in the Iranian capital, Ramadan Shalah lamented that Palestinians and other Muslims showed insufficient love for Al-Quds, the Arabic name for Jerusalem, according to a recording obtained Monday by Israel’s Army Radio.
Shalah contrasted the inadequate Palestinian and Muslim love of the holy city with the heartfelt attachment of the Jews, and — speaking in Hebrew and Arabic — quoted the famous Israeli ballad “Jerusalem of Gold,” penned by Zionist songstress Naomi Shemer.
“What is the meaning of Jerusalem for us?” Shalah, who leads one of the most extreme terror groups in the world and is on the FBI’s most-wanted terrorists list, asked the assembled clergy last week. “Learn from the Jews, from that accursed entity [Israel].They love Jerusalem not just as a military matter, but as a cultural one,” he declared.
“They have a song in the Israeli entity that their army sings on June 7, when they conquered the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Haram al-Sharif [the Temple Mount, in the 1967 Six Day War],” he added, and went on to quote part of the chorus of “Jerusalem of Gold.”
“Jerusalem of gold. Jerusalem of bronze. Jerusalem of light,” he chanted, saying each phrase in both Hebrew and Arabic.
“Every Israeli child and every accursed Israeli soldier says this song in their heart,” Shalah told the crowd.
The ballad, one of the most popular Hebrew songs ever, was composed for a music festival in Jerusalem that was part of the May 1967 Independence Day celebrations. The song employs ancient references, including from the Book of Lamentations and the Mishnah, to lament that Judaism’s holiest places – especially the Temple Mount – were closed to Jews by the Jordanian authorities who controlled the eastern half of the city at the time.
The song begins by describing a desolate Jerusalem, with a “wall” in her heart, a reference to the border wall dividing the Israeli and Jordanian parts of the city.
Within weeks of the song’s publication to widespread acclaim, the Six Day War broke out and Israeli forces were able to recapture Jerusalem’s ancient Old City, leading Shemer to write a fourth, triumphant stanza that begins, “We returned to the water cisterns, the marketplace and the square / A ram’s horn blows at the Temple Mount in the ancient city.”
Keep in mind that Arab leaders have made a conscious effort to make Jerusalem a central feature of their worldview since the 1920's, when the Mufti started raising money to fix up the decayed and broken down Al Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock. They have made numerous pronouncements and declarations, they put posters of the Dome of the Rock everywhere they can - but they still admit that they really don't love the city. In this case, Shallah even implies that to him it is merely a "military" matter.
Yet he still doesn't get it. Jews don't love Jerusalem because of a beautiful song; they love the song because it reflects how they feel about Jerusalem. (Of course, marginal Jews like those who write in Haaretz are doing all they can to sever the relationship between Jews and Jerusalem, because to them stripping the heart and soul of a people would help bring "peace.")
FlagJRoadrunner • November 3, 2014 9:27 AM EST
The Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem after Jews were forcibly expelled by Arab-Muslim military.
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As if any further justification was required to prevent Arab rioters from attempts to reverse the outcome of the June 1967 war, on the Golan Heights or in Jerusalem.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4078304,00.html
What could go wrong indeed
One of the many ugly faces of Arab apartheid and ethnic cleansing on Jews, was also shown at Israel's early days of re-establishment.
V. Sharpe in "In prayer, Jews face Jerusalem but Muslims face Mecca":
Prior to the miraculous event that took place when the Jewish people's 3,000 year old capital city [of Jerusalem] was restored to the Jewish state in the 1967 Six-Day War. For 19 long years from 1948 to 1967, Jordan had occupied Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the eastern half of Jerusalem. Only Pakistan and Britain had ever recognized Jordan's illegal occupation.
The British office-red Jordanian Arab Legion had forced out at gunpoint the Jewish residents of the Old City and the neighboring Jewish villages: It was Apartheid and ethnic cleansing, Arab style.[1]
The historic sharp contrast of the status of Jerusalem, whereas under Jordanian Arab-Islamic rule 1948-1967 it was divided, Jews were chased out and ethnic cleansed, and discriminatory laws were applied. After Israel won over the Arab attackers in 1967, it liberated the holy city, unified it and abolished all discriminatory laws.
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Indeed, some lament: "The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall."[3][4]
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